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Embracing Change: Is Yours a Female-Friendly Practice?

It’s no longer a rumor: the veterinary profession has undergone a gender shift from being a male-dominated profession to veterinary classes graduating over 80% women.

This creates a variety of implications for the management of veterinary practices. Denying or ignoring the difference between the sexes in the workplace can have a negative impact on a practice’s financial health and the team’s well-being.

Statistically speaking, a practice owner should count on several things in the profile of a recent graduate: Demographically, she will be female; she will be Caucasian; and she will be 28 years old.1 Professionally, this future associate has had access to the latest techniques and advances in medicine and surgery. Along with being technologically savvy, she will be capable of practicing high-quality medicine and surgery.

Within a few years, the associate will likely have bonded with clients, developed her own client base, come to understand and support the clinic’s practice culture, and will be comfortable working up in-depth medical cases and performing surgery. She has become a seasoned, hard-working, productive associate—the type of associate any team would hate to lose.

What else do we know about her? In her early 30s, she is entering the late stages of her prime reproductive years. According to a 2006 Census Bureau survey, she will have an 80% chance of having at least one child during her lifetime.2 In other words, the probabilities are more than 80% that a new associate will be female and will have a baby within 3 to 5 years of entering the work force.

What’s a Practice Owner to Do?
One option is to do nothing. A practice owner can ignore her pregnancy, give her a few weeks off without pay, hire a relief veterinarian, and hope for the best. Maybe she’ll return to the team; maybe not.

A second option is to address the associate’s pregnancy with warmth and support. Plan for her pregnancy and return to the practice. Talk with her openly about pre- and postpartum work expectations, and consider the idea of renegotiating her contract to include a “female-friendly” benefits package. After all, she is a highly valued associate, one whom a practice owner would hate to lose.

Female-Friendly Benefits
A few policy or scheduling changes, flexibility, and a positive attitude will go a long way toward keeping young mothers in a practice working to their fullest capacity during their child-bearing years. All female team members will appreciate the care and understanding shown to them during this phase of their work lives.

Flexible Scheduling
Flexibility can be crucial for a new mother’s peace of mind. Scheduling options can be in any number of configurations. One might begin at 8:00 a.m. and end at 4:00 p.m. On other days the shifts may not begin until later in the day and extend through evening appointments. Some mothers may take on extra Saturdays in exchange for days off in the middle of the week. Obtaining the services of occasional relief veterinarians can help with flexibility of scheduling, too. No one should hold it against the employee, emotionally or financially, when she uses flexible scheduling.

Breast Milk Pumping Room
The ability to provide breast milk is very important to most new mothers and a breast-fed baby is more likely to stay healthy according to the American Pediatric Association, which translates to less sick leave taken by a new mother. The room used for pumping breast milk need not be dedicated to that purpose alone; no construction required. This room needs only to have an electrical outlet and privacy when in use.

Set Up a Dependent Care

Savings Account
These accounts (tax-deductible for employers) are easy to set up and allow employees to designate up to $5000 of pretax income for childcare-related expenses over the year.

Paid Maternity Leave
Paid maternity can be the single biggest incentive to motivate your experienced associate to return to full-time practice. Many practices may not be able to afford to extend this perq to all team members, in which case details should be spelled out in the clinic’s employee manual. While it will cost the owner of the practice money, providing the benefit will help bond the valuable, production-oriented, client-friendly associate to your practice or enhance her desire to return to it. Replacing a seasoned, client-bonded associate costs approximately 1.5 times that associate’s salary and does not necessarily include the time involved in recruiting, interviewing, and training. The University of Wisconsin offers an online employee turnover calculator at uwex.edu/ces/cced/economies/turn.cfm.

Women are a dynamic addition to the veterinary profession. One cannot ignore the fact, however, that female veterinarians coming out of school are usually entering the later stages of their prime reproductive lives. Making it viable for women to return to full-time practice provides an opportunity to bond your team, offer more continuous patient care, and ultimately improve the financial health of your hospital.

 

References
1. Counseling: The Nursing Mother. Lauwers J, Swisher A. Jones & Bartlett; 2006.
2. Fertility of American Women: Population Characteristics. Dye JL. U.S. Census Bureau, www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p20-558.pdf.
 

49 comments so far...

Reply: It takes a village. . .

Stop acting like you're procreating to produce future veterinarians! The Earth is already over-populated! People have children primarily for selfish reasons...simply because they want them.

Reply: New female grads and lifestyles

VERY true!

The Gender Shift has negatively impacted the profession!

I recall interviewing for a technician position the year before I attended veterinary school. The practice owner was an older male. During the interview, I informed him that I would only be working for a year and would then be moving to attend veterinary school. His response was that he hated that so many women were attending veterinary school because "you all just quit work to have babies anyways"! As a woman, I was offended by this comment and informed him that I had a friend who was a full time veterinarian and SHE had 3 children. She managed to juggle a family and a career. Since I have graduated from veterinary school, women who have children have negatively impacted my life on a regular basis. They always have to leave on time or early to pick up their children. They can't come to work when a child is sick. They can't cover a weekend emergency shift because a child has a sporting event. The women without children are expected to pick up the slack and they are NOT allowed to complain about it! Just because I don't have children doesn't mean I want to volunteer to constantly work hours that someone else is being paid to cover! Speaking of being paid...women have decreased the income of veterinarians. They are willing to work for less money than men as long as they can receive all these child-related benefits. My sister has her MBA and specializes in corporate mergers and acquisitions. She works long hours and has 2 children. She does not expect her employers to accommodate her because she is a mother. If she did, she would likely be replaced by a man. Women: Do not expect special treatment because you have a husband and children! Those of us who do not choose that life don't want to suffer because you chose to walk that path. If you can't handle both, please don't take up a highly sought after position in veterinary school!

what is wrong with...

being a professional and expecting to end my day at 5:30 when we close. What is wrong with my carrying a 6-figure debt load and being compensated and treated like a professional? I do on-call emergency, and am appalled that I am expected to do emergency medicine ALONE because they always used to do it that way. This is substandard medical care and I frankly always worry about my license in various situations. That is what emergency clinics are for. I want a LIFE and a career, not to break my back because you are tired after breaking yours fo 25 years. I am 41, a veteran (I worked days, nights, rotating shifts, etc.), have had much work in the job force, so I am not a young new graduate, although I am out of school 3 years. Start treating us like professionals. I am planning on having a baby soon, and I have had comments like "I'll have a clothes hanger with your name on it," as well as "just have them take your uterus out (during an elective repro surgery) because you don't need it," to "I will fire you if you get pregnant." I don't expect a lot of special treatment, but gosh, don't treat me like that!

Fear, paradigm shifts and the world as it is

I would like to say I'm surprised by the veritable venom in some responses, however they seem fear based and not unexpected when a major paradigm shift is occurring. The truth is, the gender shift has happened. That doesn't make it good or bad, just a reality. And the fact that it started 25 years ago just illustrates that some shifts take longer to "see" than others. Ours is a much loved and revered profession. If we are to maintain that position, we must be the upstanding, compassionate professionals that the public has known us to be, and trusts us to remain. It would be lovely if we could look within and see what personal fears or concerns drive our negativity toward each other (I know this sounds like navel-gazing, but sometimes a little introspection can go a long way). Perhaps we could set aside our fears and extend some compassion to each other as we address these issues. I have had the privilege of being mentored by masters in the profession, as well as being inspired by the enthusiasm, professionalism and dedication of students and recent graduates. From my perspective, I am surrounded by talented veterinarians (and staff!) who have chosen a profession that is demanding and not all that financially rewarding. I am grateful that my educational debt was manageable, and that I was able to build a community of friends who helped me through the inevitability of life's challenges...parental death, personal illness/injury, additional schooling, parenting, etc. We could learn from each other how to build similar, personally relevant support systems. We could all use this as an opportunity to learn more, care more, and grow in our ability to understand each other's stories, and how each of us has something valuable to offer. Now is not the time to throw up barriers of intolerance, exclusivity, jealousy. What about some mentoring? What about collaborating to truly address what is (not what we'd like reality to be!) and come up with creative solutions that work at least acceptably well for all of us? The truths: -The "gender shift" is a reality -Generational differences are a reality -We are all human beings with similar needs (see Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs) -Experienced veterinarians are a valuable resource, "containers" of knowledge, wisdom and skills -Recent grads and students are the future, and hold the newest knowledge -Things change, and for some, it's less pleasant than for others As much as I love a healthy debate, it seems that all of the passion contained within these comments could serve a greater purpose. Could that passion be channeled into a carefully moderated round table discussion at a veterinary meeting? Anyone interested in such an opportunity? If so, let the other readers know!

I am 39 have a 6 and 3 year

I am 39 have a 6 and 3 year old,took 6 weeks unpaid leave for both pregnancies and have worked full time for most of my career. I am surprised at the very negative comments towards having children. I am liberal, pro-choice and don't think people should get special treatment for having children, however, the practice force has become female dominated very quickly. Doesn't it make sense to possibly have certain amenities? I had to "pump" in a bathroom while sitting on toilet seat at one practice and in an exam room that didn't lock at another. Doable but would have been nice to have a different area. Sorry the men didn't have to deal with these things, but since I am the now the bread winner and happened to be the one with a uterus-gotta make something work. I am very open to making some changes to accommodate working moms-both vets and techs, as long as it works for both sides. If you shut out women based on their repro. status-you will be hurting for employees in the future.

Agree with Gender Shift

Reproducing does not make you "special". And are you willing to work extra hard/extra time to give your non-reproducing colleagues their extra special time off (if you want to be fair to all involved)? I am willing to bet that is a resounding no. The complaining mothers here seem to forget they are putting other people (practice owners, colleagues, clients) out when they take what they figure is their "due". Yes, it "takes a village", but they are primarily your children, your responsibility and your sacrifice. If we want the profession to turn into a job sharing, part time profession, second income profession (its pretty obvious its headed that way) keep up that attitude. And yes, I'm a female, 23 yr. experience with 2 teenagers (yes, they are very well adjusted, happy and survived, in fact thrived in daycare while both parents worked full time).

New vs Old generation

I am a 49 yr. old female practice owner who had 2 children while working for someone else 18 yrs. ago. I'd just like to say I received 3 months off with no pay and I worked 40+ hours per week (including 2 nights and 2/3 weekends). I am married to another veterinarian. We made it work. Would I have liked more time off? Sure! But we all would always like things better and when you choose to work and have a family you choose to sacrifice (my husband did his part BTW). Now, associates have easier than ever schedules (ours work 35 hrs per week). Our associate received 3 months off, no pay, but when she had a premature baby we extended it to 5 months (One of those months being paid, consisting of vacation/sick time). We paid for our portion of her health insurance 4/5 of those months. This created some hardship for us- may partner and I picked up extra hours and we payed for a relief vet. When she came back she then wanted a whole day off (friday, grant, you- how nice to have 4 day weekends every other week because Thurs. is her day off!) every other week. Even though she had told us previously she wanted to work full time. We finally agreed (yes, we are too accomodating), but said it had to be Tuesday, not friday otherwise her client care would suffer; and we would keep her on insurance for a trial 6 months, but she'd have to pay premium since she dropped below 30 scheduled hours per week. She agreed, but was resentful about the insurance part. Hate to sound inflexible but I feel like the more we gave, the more she wanted. And we have a nice room to pump in. She also needed 10 min. crossed off in the aft. to pump (besides her 2 hr. lunch break). Sorry, but I managed to pump, in the bathroom, over lunch break (or dinner the nights I worked) and managed to nurse both kids for a year. I believe this generation does not appreciate how much easier they have it then mothers from 20 yr. ago and just want more and more.

breast pump room??

Come on - that is ridiculous! I would love a nap room because I have health problems that sometimes make me tired but I don't feel entitled to one. Buck up - if you choose to have a kid then you need to deal with the unpleasantries (and pleasantries) that accompany them. A locked office or bathroom works just fine. And as far as paid maternity leave - Wow! - I will pay my associate for 3 months off plus pay a relief vet who has low production because he is new and no one wants to see him - YOU are right!! I must be made of money. It is also nice to hire someone out of school and mentor them only to have them pregnant within one year -there goes my long awaited vacation of ONE WEEK - so, yeah, ok take 3 months off - I'll hold your job for you and keep a relief vet here at the going rate so you have some clients to come back to...I'll just wait to take some long overdue time off. By the way, I am a 41 yr old DVM who owns her practice and has been practicing for 11 yrs. I currently have 2 associates that seem pretty happy with their set up - one is male and has two kids and the other is a female and 2 kids. She got 3 mos. maternity leave - no pay.

fear for the future

I just wanted to make a quick comment regarding all the people that want to make it sound like a terrible thing for someone to "choose" to have a child. If you ask me, more veterinarians should be choosing to have children. We do make up the top 5% of society. Those are genes that should be passed on to the next generation. The alternative is that people (the majority of which don't have half of our eduction) will just accidentally have children. If anyone has seen the Duggars on tv, you can see how easy it is for one couple to over-populate. I highly suggest the movie "Idiocracy"; it will give you a new perspective.

I have to agree with this. I

I have to agree with this. I am a woman, out of school 21 years. I did an internship then was an associate for 8 years at a 5 person mixed practice. I was the only female doctor. I had a great following of clients and helped build the practice. I was the top producing doctor there, and the lowest paid. I left to start my own practice (something I should have done way earlier) when the owners skipped offering me the chance to buy in ( and I was the senior associate), and said I needed to work every weekend unless I asked for a weekend off 6 months in advance. The reason given was that I was unmarried and did not have children so my time was not worth as much as the others, who were married men with children. I am now married, though without kids - by choice. But don't penalize anyone for our lifestyle choice. I don't want to raise your kids, but my time is worth a lot to me.

flip that, and reverse it

A veterinarian has a hard time keeping clients. He/she gets 20 new ones but they all eventually leave. Is it the clients' fault?

Up and coming

As a female student that will be entering the work force in the next year I have to say that this is all horrifying. Now, Im not hugely keen on the idea of procreating. In fact, I dont want to. BUT, my husband makes a very valid point when he says that it would be a dirty shame for us NOT to give another tall blonde to the earth. Should we really be financially penalized for increasing the overall quality of the genetic pool? Just imagine, what if we DID make that baby and it happened to wed your, say, grandchild (because we are at opposite ends of the generational spectrum, this is why we disagree about basically everything in the first place, right?) and lets say that they also made beautiful tall blonde babies and you got to enjoy them as your great-grandchildren. As you hold that tiny puffy little fist in your ancient road-map of a hand wont you be glad my boss had that receptionist print out the "occupied" sign so that the closet could function as a lactation room?

But in all seriousness, this is nuts. Women are not the cattle you're out preg checking. They're PEOPLE - give it a minute, the shock will fade - just like you're a person. They arent requesting a rotating milk parlor, just a room with an outlet. Youre going to look another human being in they eye and tell them that while they are experiencing what is always referred to as a miracle (just messy and traumatic if you ask me)they better be making plans to job hunt shortly after? Maybe they should have bottled up some of those tears made up completely of love and joy that your mother shed at the first sight of your sticky, red, crying little self so that you might have them now, as a reminder of what it is to be human.

And quit with the "young people are lazy" bit already, such a germane complaint is the very epitome of the accusation itself, why not get creative if your going to paint so broadly a generation?

Not to State the Obvious but...

A death in the family or surgery are not events that are elective. Having babies IS. Just some food for thought when people start complaining about how they "just can't" work those extra hours because of their kid, etc etc.

What about.....

For all those who submitted anti-family comments, please take time to reflect that you were once a baby and your parents/guardians had to take care of you when you were sick and had to decide where you would spend your days while one or both of them worked. When you don't have a child it is easy to say "do something" with the child when s/he is sick. If only we could bring our children to work when they are sick in the same way that we and our childless coworkers bring our pets to work when they are sick. It isn't so simple - especially if you have no extended family living near you. And there is NO (I repeat NO) daycare that will let you bring in a child with a fever. And if a child is found to have a fever at any time, the parents are called and told to come get the child. Every working person has the potential for "special requests" at some time or another. What about when you have a death in the family and need to be off work for a week? Certainly no one wants to be denied a visit with the remaining family members or the time to grieve their loss. What about taking classes that are only offered during the day and aren't available online? Certainly no one wants to be told they must quit their job in order to take the classes even if those classes are prerequisites for veterinary school. What about when you find yourself in need of surgery and must be out of work for 2-3 weeks? Certainly no one wants to be told that someone else will be hired for their position and their job will not be there for them to return to. I know some of those things are covered by various laws. Why do you think that is? People wanted to ensure that certain situations would be honored by employers - that employees would be protected. We can always throw those laws out and allow everyone to fend for themselves....

Female Friendly Offices

Wow! I am reeling after reading these comments. I can't believe that having babies is still so controversial. Our workforce IS women. We need to work with the talented people we've got and stop fighting change! He/She who figures out how to have a family-friendly practice will benefit on so many different levels: reduced turnover, full staffing, less stress, and if they do it right, more profit. Why not drive the change and put energy into creating a new a better workplace for everyone?

Gender shift? Vet schools

Gender shift? Vet schools started accepting a majority of females 25 years ago. You know why there are continually articles about gender shift being recent? Because the women never stay in practice. The gender shift should have taken place 15 years ago in the industry if it was going to happen. And people wonder why we are running out of veterinarians. I'm a male, and luckily I got in. I have plenty of other friends with practical experience that didn't get in for one reason or another. At least equal it out for a while, and maybe there will be enough vets to go around. Until then more work for me I guess.

It takes a village. . .

Sound familiar? I'm amazed at some of the anti-family resentment that some individuals harbor. Where do you think future work force, in our situation - veterinarians, techs, support staff, will come from if people aren't having families? Who will you sell your practice to then? The lactatation rooms promote heathly children - less health care costs, lower insurance premiums - and that's just for starters. The last practice I was at just had a bathroom that had a chair & an outlet in it that served as a lactation room. For those ignorant individuals - the moms pumped in 15-20 minutes on their already scheduled breaktime - nothing extra added form them. I also second the statement about working together with our new generation. Not only allowing time for moms, but dads and personal time for those without kids! Creates happier people with less stress - who will be more excited about work and perform better when at work because of it!

gender not the factor

Have you looked at the curriculum offered in veterinary schools? What kind of surgery experience do they get. Most of the schools no longer do live non-recovery surgeries becuase of pressure from outside forces. Having had an education in surgery at a school that did offer a real live animal rather than just a cadaver or a computer simulator put me leaps and bounds ahead in my comfort level with surgery. There was a huge difference between myself and vets that came after me that graduated from a different program(in 10 years, I saw 5 vets other than myself come to that practice - 3 of us, myself included, had a good grasp and comfort level with surgery - we all came from the same program). Try to convince a new grad with very limited surgical experience to tackle surgical procedures in light of ablility and lawsuits - they have every right to not be excited about surgery - they aren't prepared for it. And sorry, but it's not just the women who have wised up to the stresses of the profession. There are men who take their turn caring for kids/are stay at home dads/ or even if they don't have kids - want some kind of a real life outside of work. The lack of interest in ownership has nothing - or very little - to do with male vs. female and everything to do with what kind of lifestyle does that practice offer to that individual!

Breast pumping rooms???

I guess thats fine, but personally I think these women are just trying to milk the clock. :)

abortion is legal....

i for one, am glad to hear you do not have any children...stay away from my pets as well...

Why not change to production-based compensation?

The general gist here is IMHO that practice owners (of which I am one) are peeved because they don't feel that they are getting equal productivity with a female veterinarian (especially one with small children), and that female veterinarians don't all want to be grouped into the "2-3 years and pregnant" category. My solution has been to offer a base salary plus percentage based on productivity after a veterinarian has been on board for one year. Those who put in the extra time or who are more efficient are justly rewarded, and those who want or need the extra time off, within reason, can have it. If the children are sick and mom can't work, we provide 5 personal days that can be used for this, or vacation time can be allocated for this if more than 5 days/yr are needed. If you burn through vacation time and personal days and need more time off, it gets prorated against your base salary for that week. I feel that this is fair to both the affected veterinarian as well as the rest of us who have to pick up the extra appts. for the day. For breast milk issues, we use the conference room and just hang a sign that the room is occupied - very simple.

Wouldn't it be sad if some of

Wouldn't it be sad if some of the brightest and most compassionate individuals (veterinarians)in the country decided NOT to reproduce? You seem very cold and bitter. Maybe you should determine what is REALLY making you so unhappy and fix it.

Gender Shift

Please know I empathize with the position you find yourself in and hope that the right person comes along who will see your practice as valuable and the right place to be. The key to the next generation's future sits with how we respond to them today. I don't think that new vets just aren't buying practices because they don't want the responsibility, their economic reality is very different from what it was when you started practice. Most have a high debt load, because school now costs $10,000 a semester for tuition alone. With eight semesters, just schooling alone...not books, equipment or living expenses...costs them $80,0000. Most are apprehensive to buy a practice until this is paid down. Plus, since most, men or women, are dual working couples, the community they settle in has to offer both of them a workable career. This negates many smaller towns as what might employ one spouse, won't provide work for the other. And yes, many young women vets will spend the early part of their career having and raising families and needing flexible hours. This means they'll need less culpability financially in the first decade of their work. Since this leaves a good 30 years of work life, it will eventually be a step they may want to take in the second half of their career but that may potentially come later for them than for previous generations. So, we need to get creative as a profession and figure out HOW to help this incoming generation of professionals enter their work life and thrive. They face challenges that are different from those faced by previous generations and these challenges will take new solutions. The old models of vets coming out of school, settling in small communities and buying solo practices probably won't work anymore, as sad as that may seem. But, to berate them for it is a useless conversation. It just "is". With high school loans, working spouses and the need for flexibility for at least the first decade of practice, we'll have to help them see new possibilities. This is the challenge for the current profession and the Exceptional Veterinary Team staff hopes to help veterinarians, both current and future, explore ways out of this dilemma. I invite all of you to work with us to find a new way to approach practice, our teams and one another. Our future depends on it. Kathleen Ruby Editor In Chief

Major pet peeve

I am straight female, 49 yrs old, '86 grad w/ an internship. I do not have human children and never ever wanted any. Women (or men) who think they should get special privileges just because they CHOSE to reproduce have been a major pet peeve of mine since vet school when I encountered such audacious behavior. If you choose to have a kid, then you need to deal with it - regardless of your profession. No one owes you anything just because you decided to reproduce. And to the person who quotes stats saying 50% or more of pregnancies are unplanned - well abortion is still legal in this country.

I am a 38 y.o. female owner

I am a 38 y.o. female owner of a new start up practice with 2 children (age 7 y.o. & 3 y.o.) & a husband who is an ENT physician who takes call. It is attitudes like yours that was a driving force for me to start my own practice. I did relief work for 4 years. I will never forget the comment I got from an older generation male owner when I called him at 6:00 am after being up since 4:00 am with my then 5 y.o. son who had a fever of 102F. I have NO extended family in town. His response to me when I said I would not be able to come in was "don't you have someplace to take him"? I DO pay for childcare & NO childcare facility will take a child with a 102F fever. His wife was a stay at home mom. That was 20 years ago. These days most households are 2 parents working outside the home. A little open mindedness to the change in our society. Women have brought a well-needed well roundedness to this profession. By the way, it does not take 1 hr to breast pump. I did it with both of my kids....probably 20 min max! If this was a discussion in the human medical profession....do you think these comments would be made? I don't even believe this would be an issue TO discuss.

Gender Shift

I am an older male veterinarian and solo owner. Not only it is difficult to impossible to find a veterinarian to work here (part time, I'm talking, I have given up on the full time classification), but what about future ownership. I have been told again and again that ownership is out of the question because of the responsibility. What will happen to my practice? I love to work and I love being a veterinarian, but I see the future of my practice as a store front for electronics.

Old paradigms

How sad that the only way some people seem to respond the an inevitable paradigm change is a fatalistic, negative vision. It certainly could go in that direction and it certainly will if that's the way the medical profession approaches this new world and this new generation. We create what we see in our minds and if this is the view older professionals see of younger, that is what we'll get. This attitude won't create the passion, drive or commitment we wish to impart...it will establish division and resentment. As much as we perhaps don't want to see it or agree with it, the world and the people in our world, have changed. They see their roles differently. For those of us who chose to live our lives in the more work-centric model, this is threatening and dismaying. With every shift in attitude, something is lost and something is gained. Although we've lost a generation who focused their lives entirely (almost) on being phenomenal working professionals, we've gained people who have the same strength of desire to commit to the field (I've taught at a vet college for 11 years and can vouch for this truth!!!), but who also want to tend to the rest of their lives...their families and their children. It only needs to be exclusive if we force them to live the lives of priests of old. How sad if our medical professionals cannot also live full lives and participate in the lives of their families. If we insist that the current generation of doctors and veterinarians replicate our lives, and insist we had it all figured out, we will condemn the profession to failure. The students I've watched over the past eleven years are, for the most part, amazingly committed and sacrificial people. They wouldn't get through school if they weren't. Their world isn't what ours was 20 or 30 years ago, and we can't expect them to live as we did because we think it best. And, I don't think that this means that these new docs will be abandoning patients or taking their responsibilities lightly. They will find their way and they will provide excellent care. And they will do it with us or without us. Will we support them or sit in our self righteous memory of how it used to be?

Breast pump rooms MANDATORY in CA

California has made lactation rooms a law in workplaces--which strikes me as ridiculous. If you're back to work you should be "working"...not wasting hours pumping. Women say that they want equality, but what they really want are double standards.

Support is nice but it's your choice to take on a child

On one hand it's nice to be supportive of your employees, on the other hand...if you choose to take on a responsibility that will take you out of commission for 1 hour per workday and then intermittently for the next 16 years, well, that's your choice and it's not the employers job to have a milk pumping room and be overjoyed when you call in because your kid is sick. Full book of appointments, thanks a lot, how would you feel? There are options...don't have kids, have your partner take care of them, split your schedules so one of you can take care of them, enlist your extended family, pay for child care. And then there is "lobby for a "milk pumping room" and use those sick days." Which seems more fair?

My plan as a female vet student

I am well aware of all the predictions of women entering the veterinary field then shortly starting a family afterwards. This doesn't seem ideal for our profession since there is already a shortage of veterinarians. My plan is to work my tail off during my last year and a half of school and become immersed in my work when I graduate. I'm hoping to become an emergency vet and have no desire to allow building a family get in the way of my goals. I guess everyone wants something different, but I'm in this field to work hard and long hours. I am still grateful for being accepted and owe it to the profession to give 100% of myself. Like someone mentioned earlier.. it is a privilege to be a veterinarian.

New grads

I do believe it is very difficult for a woman to have a successful, full time, fully committed practice and having a very successful family life also. It is certainly possible that the man can stay home and be the primary caregiver for the children, but that is more the exception than the norm. Having a successful, or should I rephrase, a full-time career and a primary care giving position places women between a rock and a hard place. I won't say it isn't impossible to do, but I think usually something has to give, and unfortunately, because of most womens' nurturing characteristics, they choose family over career. There is no fault or blame to place there. It is just the nature of the beast. I am happy that my wife does most of the caregiving, because I just became a 50% partner in my practice. I wouldn't be able to make that swing if I wanted to be home 2 days a week with the children!!! As far as new grads, I can't believe that they don't want to pay their dues and actually put in more than 40 hrs per week. They definitely act as if they have a sense of entitlement-hiring them to work was just a gift given to us. No one wants to do emergencies and a 9-5 workday is expected. Please. If you feel this is not a calling, then don't join. So many people are turned away from vet schools every year. Let the dedicated ones join!!!! I started out as a mixed practitioner who did emergency on call right from the start.(Luckily I had a great back up team of 2 sr. vets who would help at any time. They are typical of that generation and super-dedicated.) Finding a mixed practitioner who does emergency call nowadays would be a rarity. Enough rambling.

gender shift - comment 109/24/2009 2:46

I am a father who had to fight for 50:50 legal custody and parental custody. I am there at my son's doctor appointments (when I am informed of them by his mother) and I call in sick on days he is sick and can not go to school and in my care. I work the most hours at the practice I am employeed at (with the highest request rate of the three female vets) and I also gross 40% of the practice income. Maybe more men would take care of their children if the legal systems would lighten up on them financially. My feeling is that many men have to work inorder to pay the supports for their children and ex-spouses......Are the mothers working as hard as the fathers during the same number of hours and producing an equal income for the practice.

Gender shift

I am a female veterinarian who has been in practice 35 years and I agree totally with the above veterinarian's comments. I have found that the new grads female and male really don't want to pay their dues. Mostly they want to know if there is a 24 hour emergency clinic in your town and if they can end their day at 5:00 pm

amen to that!!!

amen to that!!!

New female grads and lifestyles

I am an older male grad, father of two who refused to enter our profession. They saw the writing on the wall and went elsewhere, with my blessings. I agree 100% with everything you have said. Certainly, there are some exceptions, but new female veterinarians are dedicated to their desired lifestyles, and not to their patients. Tough things to say, but unfortunately true. Part of the problem is that this is the attitude which our society has instilled and encouraged. It is a swerve, not a drift, from the idea that one earned and was not entitled to, his or her compensation. It is a privilege to be permitted to treat our animal friends, not a right because we passed some basic tests and signed some papers.It is a privilege, and not a right, to work in a hospital with people who have put their lives and savings on the line to practice a healing art. And it is the responsibility of those owners to treat all of their employees fairly and reasonably according to each person's worth to the hospital. It has nothing to do with how much debt one had wisely or foolishly accumulated while studying or living beyond one's means. So, really, this is a societal problem, amplified by our pursuit for more and more goodies and self-gratification, with no sense of individual responsibility. And, after all, as we are painfully learning these days, the federal government will always step in and legislate our required course of action but, of course, not our individual responsibilities.

Gender shift

Let me start by saying I am a female practice owner with 15 years experience AND an 8 month old son... and I don't have the luxury conditions you describe in your article. My husband and I are in essence single parents in an effort to provide care for our son (although I do have the luxury of bringing him to work - one of the huge reasons I opened my own practice and do so 1.5 days a week.). BUt back to your article - where are these skilled new graduates you're talking about? The ones I've hired (and fired) have minimal surgical skills, if any, poor exam room techniques, fair to poor client communication skills, miserable medical record keeping skill, difficulty making a diagnosis of a condition that is textbook much less the more realistic cases that aren't, and want to make more money, have more time off and receive better benefits than I do... all the while only working a 30-35 hour week. And please people - look at the much more telling statistics when it comes to gender salary differences - if you factor in hours worked per week, the difference in pay is no where near as big as everyone likes to shout about. BTW, when I was an associate, I outproduced every male vet I knew, including my former practice owner ... and worked the 60-80 hour weeks it took to do so. So, yes, I think we need to be open to helping mothers be mothers and veterinarians but if you're going to offer special shifts, you need to offer them to all your professional staff, not just the ones who get knocked up or it really promotes an unfair work environment. And women need to be prepared to actually WORK for a living and not expect that the veterinary field is a luxury side hobby like knitting that can be picked up because it sounds cool then tossed aside because being a mommy sounds cooler. If the practice of veterinary medicine is not a CALLING, you should stay out of it... and callings/avocations require sacrifice. When I was younger, I saw huge dedication to the field in the newcomers to it - lately, I just see dedication to the paycheck, which makes me very cynical when asked to provide "special" care just to mothers who will in all likelihood no longer be practicing by the time their kids are in first grade. (Yeah, yeah, I can hear the outrage coming)

Here we go

The new generation of veterinarians--male and female--have a bizarre sense of entitlement that is difficult for older, middle-aged veterinarians to fathom, regardless of gender. They want to work less and be paid more than the classes that have graduated before them, but they haven't earned it yet in the exam room or the surgical suite. That aside, the militant female veterinarians whose comments fill this thread don't want treatment equal to their male counterpart--they want special treatment. And any male practice owner who expects the same output from them as their male employees must treat them gingerly, lest they become victims of a sexual discrimination suit. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

A Single Dad's Point of View

I would like to open by saying this problem will not be solved by people shouting at each other on the internet. Reasonable choices are made by reasonable people communicating in a reasonable way out of mutual respect for others' opinions. I hope constructive changes result from this article rather than have a "town hall" atmosphere much like the current health care bill debate. That being said, when I got divorced in 2003, I told my staff (yes I am the practice owner) that I wanted to focus on being a good father to my children. It would mean that I would not be at work as much and that the clients would be seeing my associates predominantly. It is a decision that I do not regret to this day. I think it is unfair for any employer to deny a parent access to their children regardless of the parent's gender. Well, at least that's what I do. So I think all parenting issues should be dealt with in an impartial way. If it is given to a woman, it should be also given to a man and vice versa. And each practice is unique. So each practice should have the ability to set up its own rules as long as they are equally applied as to gender. If they are not equally applied, then that becomes a legal matter, I think. As far as the 80% women in the vet schools, I served on the admissions committee of a veterinary school in my state one year. Men are not even applying to vet schools as they are entering other fields. So when the applicant pool is 80% women, then the class will be 80% women. If more men are needed or wanted in the profession, then they should be recruited in high schools and colleges. There is more I could say but I think I am out of room. Let's stop shouting and think this through.

ok let's be honest

I am the woman who replied earlier and all of you are now attacking what I am saying. I am fine, absolutely fine, with women working but a lot of them are turning the veterinary industy into a secondary income not the primary income for a family. This is great for each individual family but not the industry as a whole if a lot of them are unwilling to work longer hours or take on ownership responsibilities! That is what I was trying to say, not to be sexist. I am the practice manager for a clinic, so I am a working mother and I know the demands of trying to balance your life. It is great to have your cake and eat it too but I am telling you, a lot of times that is a dream! And I have tried to find full-time doctors or more than one part time doctor to share a position and what I am telling you is that is is extremely hard to find them! If you have a full veterinary staff, count yourself lucky. And, I am very disturbed by the recent graduates I have interviewed for positions. They are interviewing us, not the other way around. I have yet to meet a recent graduate who is at all interested in growing the practice that they are interviewing for--they are most concerned with what technological toys we have and what kind of "compensation package" they will get--including signing bonuses!! As was written in the May 2008 DVM magazine by Dr. McLaughlin regarding candidates being considered for admission into vet school: "The interview portion for the veterinary-school admissions process once ensured that candidates had not only brains to complete their studies but also the basic common sense and clear vision to suceed and be happy in life." I don't believe this should be left up to the practice owner to completely accomodate all the wishes of ones personal life while at the same time paying them a full-time salary for part-time work so that they are able to pay off the massive student loans they accrued (knowingly).

gender shift

I agree with the comment about the gender shift not reaching into the home. This is also true of men in the workplace. Men aren't expected to have to take time off for a sick child. It is frustrating to have a full time career as a practice owner and mother of 3 and still be expected to be the primary caregiver of the children. At least I can relate to the other women employees who are in the same situation. I just wish that since the moms are usually working just as much that the dads shared in the childcare responsibilities equally.

Nothing new, but I'm still in AWE

It simply amazes me the amount of ignorance that still predominates all entities of this professional field. Judging from the non-informed commentaries already written (I'm sure in haste, without better judgement,or proof-reading) the women who have worked diligently on becoming veterinarians will still have the same obstacles to overcome. Each year our professional journal releases statistics of our profession (gender, practice type, salary, etc.)and one that is always recognized but not ever proactively pursued to change is the huge slap in the face of the salary difference, from new graduate salaries to 5+ year associates - men with the exact same credentials and experience get paid more. Now women are not supposed to procreate in order to not inconvenience the practice owners who are already financially slighting them simply because they lack a Y chromosome. Some facts to consider: 50% (or more with current statistics) of pregnancies are unplanned, so to make a comments like female practitioners "do not communicate that that is the intent when they are initially hired" and "think that once they enter the work force is an appropriate time to do so" is absurd in the face of reality when half of the time the pregnancy is non-intentional. As far as a lactation room, I'm sure the intent of the article is not for male practice owners out there to design a new addition to the facility - but simply to make a provision for a private place (an office space, employee breakroom, etc.) where that associate can feel comfortable enough to take care of her lactation needs in privacy(let's not forget about her responsibility as a mother and that she has decided to make the healthiest choices for her child despite the inconveniences). Children that are breastfed are 3 times less likely to have an ear infection or gastrointestinal disease. Having a 20 minute break for pumping (and providing an appropriate place) is more profitable to you, the practice owner, than the loss of an entire production day as a result of your female associate having to take leave for a sick child. One huge factor that was not mentioned in this article but VERY relevant is your average client...are you aware of who this person is? It is typically a woman, married with children in the age range of 30-52 years of age that financially supports your practice. Who better to serve this person and their companion animal needs than someone who can relate to all aspects of their life? Someone who can associate the hardships of running a family, having a career and making sure your sick animal gets their 8 hour medical treatments, that's who! Be informed. Do not simply reply out of misinterpretation or better yet, shear ignorance. Know your demographics, know your business management practice skills and for goodness sake, do not blame the well educated people of this world for wanting to contribute to the gene pool! Getting through veterinary school and being proficient in a surgical suite is merely a matter of investing hours (and having a good mentor helps, which by the way you are NOT a good mentor if you think there should be no apprehension in a surgical suite...) - being able to relate to clients, show compassion and exercise good medical ethics are more than that and worth the effort of supporting the women who continually contribute to the advancement of this fine profession. It is obvious we will never be able to overcome the obstacles of ignorant people, all we can do is try to contribute our best to society - and for women that can and should be by both becoming medical professionals AND having the freedom to have a family.

Let's be honest

If you are a practice owner then it is "your problem". If you're an employee then you need to adjust to reality. The doctors are the most important people in your practice. They generate income and the client base that pay everyone's salaries. Having a baby is part of the natural flow of life. Having it and handing it off to someone else to raise is not. If an employee (male or female) is valuable enough to keep then everyone makes adjustments no matter what the circumstances. If you had a family illness and could no longer work your schedule and if you were worth keeping then adjustments would be made. Nothing stays the same. Life hits every practice. You adjust and move forward or you fail.

Let's be honest

The truth is though that in many practices recent women grads do leave to have children and it costs the practice owner a lot of money, either in paid maternity leave or to train a replacement. It's frustrating when you have finally mentored someone to a place where they are skilled enough and produce enough to be valuable employees and then they leave to go have babies. And I don't think that having children entitles you to better hours or special perks. How is that fair to all of the single or childless working men AND women? Why should they get the unreasonable shifts or weekends just because someone else has kids--that's not my problem, that's theirs!

Sexism

In response to the last comment "Men...are the primary money makers in the family and the wife can stay home and take care of the children" that is the most sexist thing I've ever heard!! What is this-the 19th century? The author has a point that practice owners should realize it's better for their business if they make concessions that make it easier for working mothers to do just that--WORK. Many can or will not work if they feel they can't also raise their child responsibly or according to their values which means breast feeding and having a flexible schedule so they can pick their child up from daycare and so on. GEEZE.

Seriously...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that vet schools are selecting their applicants based on their gender. If they are selecting 80% women, perhaps that means that 80% of the qualified applicants happen to have a couple of X chromosomes. Would you rather they turn away high caliber potential vet students just because of their sex? That will sure solve the problem. Let's just graduate a bunch of incompetent vet students purely based on what kind of genitalia they possess. The fact that you’re a woman gives you no right to condemn the rest of females to a life of standing behind a stove while barefoot and pregnant. Who’s to say that a man can’t stay home with the children, while the woman in the relationship earns the bread and butter? I hope, for your sake, that you don’t have a daughter who wants to be a veterinarian, because you’re setting a horrible example of what it’s like to be a strong, independent female. It is 2009, not the 1950s – get with the program.

Employees with children

I am the male owner with 3 female associates, and 11 other female employees. One associate has been with me 20 years, has one daughter, and used a breast pump for almost a year after birth. Another associate has been with me 9 years, has had 2 children, and used a breast pump for 6 to 8 months after each birth. One other employed registered tech has been with me 5 years, has a one year old daughter, and used a breast pump for 8 months after birth. For each we provided time and a private office for use of the breast pump. We're only talking about 30 minutes twice a day. It was certainly no inconvience for one of the doctors to give up their office for that short time. And since we have a doctor out each day of the week, there is usually an empty office available anyway. The biggest problem I have now is when the children are sick and the mother (my employee) has to stay home to take care of them. It seems the husband can never take off work because their job "is too important." Really taxes my clinic because the issue always comes up suddenly and we already have appointments scheduled that have to be shuffled, rescheduled, or cancelled. End results is that it hurts my bottom line and I end up being the one that has to work harder. Just another example of the "gender shift" has not reached into the home environment yet.

gender shift

At least you can find them to work for you! We CANNOT find a veterinarian to save our lives! Do you know how many older men-in their seventies- are still working because they are stuck with practices since no one wants to take on the responsibilities of an owner. They just want to put in their 8-5 hours and go home! And sorry, if I sound miffed but the graduates we have spoken to have little to no interest in surgery or little to no experience and are interested in surgery "in theory" but quite apprehensive in real life!! The vet schools need to switch their perception and start accepting more men into vet school so that we can more doctors who want to own since they are the primary money maker in the family and the wife can stay home and take care of the children!!! I am a woman if you are wondering...

A breast milk pumping room???

A breast milk pumping room??? Give me a break. It has been my experience that most of these women don't wait 3 years to have a child, but think that once they enter the work force is an appropriate time to do so. They rarely communicate this fact to the practice owner, resulting in a a serious perdicament. Now the practice owner is left with a new graduate to mentor, who's production is low (as expected for a new grad), who wants additional time off. Obviously if the real world were like this article there would be no problems, I see no problem (except the breast milk room) as to the conditions discussed in the above article. The problem is women do not wait to have children (which is absolutely their right), and do not communicate that that is the intent when they are initially hired. This results in increased work and time on the part of the owner and other vets in the practice as well as considerable frustration.

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